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Database Backup for Log Shipping

Author
22 Jul 2005 12:10 AM
Ed
Hi,
  Does the Log Shipping Setup wizard provide any options to do the database
backup and restore after the initialization?  what if the table structures
are changed and stored procedures are added?  If not, does that mean I have
to start over the setup process again?

THanks

Ed

Author
22 Jul 2005 2:46 AM
Andrew J. Kelly
I am a little confused as to what you are asking as Log shipping is simply
Backup and Restore that is somewhat automated. If you add a sp then when the
backup gets applied to the other server it will create that sp there as
well. You might want to read the sections in BooksOnLIne under Log Shipping.


--
Andrew J. Kelly  SQL MVP


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"Ed" <E*@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:96DCEC95-6391-4BFA-A236-D04F26D5BD1E@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>  Does the Log Shipping Setup wizard provide any options to do the database
> backup and restore after the initialization?  what if the table structures
> are changed and stored procedures are added?  If not, does that mean I
> have
> to start over the setup process again?
>
> THanks
>
> Ed
Author
22 Jul 2005 2:59 AM
Ed
Sorry for the confused question.

I have the log shipping setup and everything works fine.  However, the
current database structure needs to be changed, do I need to start over to
setup the log shipping again or I can just easily copy and restored the
altered database to the standby server?

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"Andrew J. Kelly" wrote:

> I am a little confused as to what you are asking as Log shipping is simply
> Backup and Restore that is somewhat automated. If you add a sp then when the
> backup gets applied to the other server it will create that sp there as
> well. You might want to read the sections in BooksOnLIne under Log Shipping.
>
>
> --
> Andrew J. Kelly  SQL MVP
>
>
> "Ed" <E*@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:96DCEC95-6391-4BFA-A236-D04F26D5BD1E@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> >  Does the Log Shipping Setup wizard provide any options to do the database
> > backup and restore after the initialization?  what if the table structures
> > are changed and stored procedures are added?  If not, does that mean I
> > have
> > to start over the setup process again?
> >
> > THanks
> >
> > Ed
>
>
>
Author
22 Jul 2005 5:50 AM
Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)
Hi

The log contains both DML and DDL events, so if you make a change to a SP,
or a table, or a row of data, on the source server, the change will be in the
log backup, and since you are using log shipping, the change will be applied
to the destination database automatically.

Get "Inside SQL Server 2000" by Kalen Delaney to get a full unserstanding
how SQL Server works internally.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/



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"Ed" wrote:

> Sorry for the confused question.
>
> I have the log shipping setup and everything works fine.  However, the
> current database structure needs to be changed, do I need to start over to
> setup the log shipping again or I can just easily copy and restored the
> altered database to the standby server?
>
> "Andrew J. Kelly" wrote:
>
> > I am a little confused as to what you are asking as Log shipping is simply
> > Backup and Restore that is somewhat automated. If you add a sp then when the
> > backup gets applied to the other server it will create that sp there as
> > well. You might want to read the sections in BooksOnLIne under Log Shipping.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Andrew J. Kelly  SQL MVP
> >
> >
> > "Ed" <E*@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:96DCEC95-6391-4BFA-A236-D04F26D5BD1E@microsoft.com...
> > > Hi,
> > >  Does the Log Shipping Setup wizard provide any options to do the database
> > > backup and restore after the initialization?  what if the table structures
> > > are changed and stored procedures are added?  If not, does that mean I
> > > have
> > > to start over the setup process again?
> > >
> > > THanks
> > >
> > > Ed
> >
> >
> >
Author
22 Jul 2005 1:01 PM
Ed
Yes, this is the case.  It is something that I don't know...
How about Trasactional Replication?  I don't think the transfered Reader Log
contains all the DML and DDL, am I right?

Ed

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"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

> Hi
>
> The log contains both DML and DDL events, so if you make a change to a SP,
> or a table, or a row of data, on the source server, the change will be in the
> log backup, and since you are using log shipping, the change will be applied
> to the destination database automatically.
>
> Get "Inside SQL Server 2000" by Kalen Delaney to get a full unserstanding
> how SQL Server works internally.
>
> Regards
> --------------------------------
> Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> Zurich, Switzerland
>
> MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp
>
> Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/
>
>
>
> "Ed" wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the confused question.
> >
> > I have the log shipping setup and everything works fine.  However, the
> > current database structure needs to be changed, do I need to start over to
> > setup the log shipping again or I can just easily copy and restored the
> > altered database to the standby server?
> >
> > "Andrew J. Kelly" wrote:
> >
> > > I am a little confused as to what you are asking as Log shipping is simply
> > > Backup and Restore that is somewhat automated. If you add a sp then when the
> > > backup gets applied to the other server it will create that sp there as
> > > well. You might want to read the sections in BooksOnLIne under Log Shipping.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew J. Kelly  SQL MVP
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ed" <E*@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:96DCEC95-6391-4BFA-A236-D04F26D5BD1E@microsoft.com...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >  Does the Log Shipping Setup wizard provide any options to do the database
> > > > backup and restore after the initialization?  what if the table structures
> > > > are changed and stored procedures are added?  If not, does that mean I
> > > > have
> > > > to start over the setup process again?
> > > >
> > > > THanks
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
Author
22 Jul 2005 2:58 PM
Andrew J. Kelly
Replication and Log shipping are two different things.  Replication may or
may not pass certain commands off to the subscriber but Log shipping will
make sure the other db is an exact duplicate of the first.

--
Andrew J. Kelly  SQL MVP


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"Ed" <E*@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BC2E60AA-5D35-4A7A-B992-50E7B782A267@microsoft.com...
> Yes, this is the case.  It is something that I don't know...
> How about Trasactional Replication?  I don't think the transfered Reader
> Log
> contains all the DML and DDL, am I right?
>
> Ed
>
> "Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> The log contains both DML and DDL events, so if you make a change to a
>> SP,
>> or a table, or a row of data, on the source server, the change will be in
>> the
>> log backup, and since you are using log shipping, the change will be
>> applied
>> to the destination database automatically.
>>
>> Get "Inside SQL Server 2000" by Kalen Delaney to get a full unserstanding
>> how SQL Server works internally.
>>
>> Regards
>> --------------------------------
>> Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> Zurich, Switzerland
>>
>> MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp
>>
>> Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ed" wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry for the confused question.
>> >
>> > I have the log shipping setup and everything works fine.  However, the
>> > current database structure needs to be changed, do I need to start over
>> > to
>> > setup the log shipping again or I can just easily copy and restored the
>> > altered database to the standby server?
>> >
>> > "Andrew J. Kelly" wrote:
>> >
>> > > I am a little confused as to what you are asking as Log shipping is
>> > > simply
>> > > Backup and Restore that is somewhat automated. If you add a sp then
>> > > when the
>> > > backup gets applied to the other server it will create that sp there
>> > > as
>> > > well. You might want to read the sections in BooksOnLIne under Log
>> > > Shipping.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Andrew J. Kelly  SQL MVP
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Ed" <E*@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:96DCEC95-6391-4BFA-A236-D04F26D5BD1E@microsoft.com...
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >  Does the Log Shipping Setup wizard provide any options to do the
>> > > > database
>> > > > backup and restore after the initialization?  what if the table
>> > > > structures
>> > > > are changed and stored procedures are added?  If not, does that
>> > > > mean I
>> > > > have
>> > > > to start over the setup process again?
>> > > >
>> > > > THanks
>> > > >
>> > > > Ed
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >

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