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Author
8 Dec 2005 5:22 PM
Darren Mart via SQLMonster.com
Hello all. I know most of you won't believe this problem, but I've seen it
with my own eyes:

For our year-end processes we establish four tables in our SQL database and
populate them. Two of the tables have millions of records, the other two only
have a handful of items.

One day, everything's fine -- then, without warning, data from the smaller
two tables is completely wiped out and every record in the larger tables has
been flagged as processed. I've asked everyone in the company -- nobody has
touched these tables.

The tables in which records are flagged:  tbl_Naughty, tbl_Nice

The tables in which data disappears:  tbl_Cookies, tbl_Milk

The Network Admins just informed me that their audits show all four tables
were accessed by user CKRINGLE, which does not exist on our domain. I have no
idea what that means.

Can anyone shed any light?

Thanks,
Darren


Author
8 Dec 2005 5:29 PM
JT
What do you mean when you say that the records have been flagged as
processed? Do you mean that, for example, a column in the table called
[processed] has been updated from 0 to 1. This sounds like an application
bug or user error. Also, what software or method do the Network Admins use
to audit the database server?

"Darren Mart via SQLMonster.com" <u12409@uwe> wrote in message
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> Hello all. I know most of you won't believe this problem, but I've seen it
> with my own eyes:
>
> For our year-end processes we establish four tables in our SQL database
> and
> populate them. Two of the tables have millions of records, the other two
> only
> have a handful of items.
>
> One day, everything's fine -- then, without warning, data from the smaller
> two tables is completely wiped out and every record in the larger tables
> has
> been flagged as processed. I've asked everyone in the company -- nobody
> has
> touched these tables.
>
> The tables in which records are flagged:  tbl_Naughty, tbl_Nice
>
> The tables in which data disappears:  tbl_Cookies, tbl_Milk
>
> The Network Admins just informed me that their audits show all four tables
> were accessed by user CKRINGLE, which does not exist on our domain. I have
> no
> idea what that means.
>
> Can anyone shed any light?
>
> Thanks,
> Darren
>
> --
> Message posted via SQLMonster.com
> http://www.sqlmonster.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/sql-server-programming/200512/1
Author
8 Dec 2005 5:35 PM
Raymond D'Anjou
"JT" <some***@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> What do you mean when you say that the records have been flagged as
> processed? Do you mean that, for example, a column in the table called
> [processed] has been updated from 0 to 1. This sounds like an application
> bug or user error. Also, what software or method do the Network Admins use
> to audit the database server?

JT, read the post again... slowly.     :-)
tbl_Naughty, tbl_Nice, tbl_Cookies, tbl_Milk, CKRINGLE,
Author
8 Dec 2005 5:46 PM
JT
Perhaps it's a joke or perhaps he just wants to keep his line of business
confidential and was in the Christmas spirit when he made up the names.
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:)


"Raymond D'Anjou" <rdanjou@canatradeNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> "JT" <some***@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%23LYef1B$FHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> What do you mean when you say that the records have been flagged as
>> processed? Do you mean that, for example, a column in the table called
>> [processed] has been updated from 0 to 1. This sounds like an application
>> bug or user error. Also, what software or method do the Network Admins
>> use to audit the database server?
>
> JT, read the post again... slowly.     :-)
> tbl_Naughty, tbl_Nice, tbl_Cookies, tbl_Milk, CKRINGLE,
>
Author
8 Dec 2005 6:30 PM
Raymond D'Anjou
Admit it JT, "You just got punk'd".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punkd

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"JT" <some***@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Perhaps it's a joke or perhaps he just wants to keep his line of business
> confidential and was in the Christmas spirit when he made up the names. :)
>
>
> "Raymond D'Anjou" <rdanjou@canatradeNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:%23EK163B$FHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> "JT" <some***@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23LYef1B$FHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> What do you mean when you say that the records have been flagged as
>>> processed? Do you mean that, for example, a column in the table called
>>> [processed] has been updated from 0 to 1. This sounds like an
>>> application bug or user error. Also, what software or method do the
>>> Network Admins use to audit the database server?
>>
>> JT, read the post again... slowly.     :-)
>> tbl_Naughty, tbl_Nice, tbl_Cookies, tbl_Milk, CKRINGLE,
>>
>
>
Author
8 Dec 2005 5:37 PM
Steve Kass
Darren,

Customer Support Services in Canada has a lot of experience with
this kind of problem, so you might give them a call.  But here are a
couple of suggestions:

Try changing the password for the SAnta account, and if that
doesn't work, try renaming the tables tbl_Cookies and tbl_Milk to
tbl_Coal and tbl_Sticks.

None of this may work, but it might be worth a try.

Oh, a couple other thoughts.  Do you have a wide open port in
your firewall that someone might be coming down through?  And
if the problem only occurs after the Halloween holiday, take a look here:

http://www.google.com/microsoft?q=%22halloween+protection%22

Steve Kass
Drew University

Darren Mart via SQLMonster.com wrote:

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>Hello all. I know most of you won't believe this problem, but I've seen it
>with my own eyes:
>
>For our year-end processes we establish four tables in our SQL database and
>populate them. Two of the tables have millions of records, the other two only
>have a handful of items.
>
>One day, everything's fine -- then, without warning, data from the smaller
>two tables is completely wiped out and every record in the larger tables has
>been flagged as processed. I've asked everyone in the company -- nobody has
>touched these tables.
>
>The tables in which records are flagged:  tbl_Naughty, tbl_Nice
>
>The tables in which data disappears:  tbl_Cookies, tbl_Milk
>
>The Network Admins just informed me that their audits show all four tables
>were accessed by user CKRINGLE, which does not exist on our domain. I have no
>idea what that means.
>
>Can anyone shed any light?
>
>Thanks,
>Darren
>

>
Author
8 Dec 2005 6:41 PM
Darren Mart via SQLMonster.com
Steve Kass wrote:
>Darren,
>
>Try changing the password for the SAnta account, and if that
>doesn't work, try renaming the tables tbl_Cookies and tbl_Milk to
>tbl_Coal and tbl_Sticks.
>

Steve,

Thanks for the tips!  As it turns out, the whole thing was just a result of
the Order By Clause.

(badump bump!)

- D

Author
8 Dec 2005 7:04 PM
Raymond D'Anjou
"Darren Mart via SQLMonster.com" <u12409@uwe> wrote in message
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> Steve Kass wrote:
>>Darren,
>>
>>Try changing the password for the SAnta account, and if that
>>doesn't work, try renaming the tables tbl_Cookies and tbl_Milk to
>>tbl_Coal and tbl_Sticks.
>>
>
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for the tips!  As it turns out, the whole thing was just a result
> of
> the Order By Clause.
>
> (badump bump!)
>
> - D

Exactly what we needed in this newsgroup... another comedian.
Watch out ML, he's going after your job.     :-)
Author
9 Dec 2005 12:37 AM
ML
You talking to I.R.?

I've strived to be as serious as possible ever since I was born. It's the
time space continuum that warps this attempt of mine. If seriousness and
hilariousness are two exact opposites, and the universe is warped, then the
extremest level of seriousness actually borders on the extremest level of
hilariousness.

Not my fault.

And if you're referring to the other ML, then the above statements must be
acknowledged as not existing.


ML

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Author
8 Dec 2005 7:48 PM
JT
Sir, you are incorrigible!

"Darren Mart via SQLMonster.com" <u12409@uwe> wrote in message
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Show quote
> Steve Kass wrote:
>>Darren,
>>
>>Try changing the password for the SAnta account, and if that
>>doesn't work, try renaming the tables tbl_Cookies and tbl_Milk to
>>tbl_Coal and tbl_Sticks.
>>
>
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for the tips!  As it turns out, the whole thing was just a result
> of
> the Order By Clause.
>
> (badump bump!)
>
> - D
>
> --
> Message posted via SQLMonster.com
> http://www.sqlmonster.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/sql-server-programming/200512/1
Author
9 Dec 2005 12:42 AM
ML
"Fields are not columns, records are not rows, there's no inherent order, or
is there? Who knows?"


ML

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Author
8 Dec 2005 5:40 PM
Trey Walpole
Someone must have found a ctp* backdoor...


*chimney tunneling protocol

Darren Mart via SQLMonster.com wrote:
Show quote
> Hello all. I know most of you won't believe this problem, but I've seen it
> with my own eyes:
>
> For our year-end processes we establish four tables in our SQL database and
> populate them. Two of the tables have millions of records, the other two only
> have a handful of items.
>
> One day, everything's fine -- then, without warning, data from the smaller
> two tables is completely wiped out and every record in the larger tables has
> been flagged as processed. I've asked everyone in the company -- nobody has
> touched these tables.
>
> The tables in which records are flagged:  tbl_Naughty, tbl_Nice
>
> The tables in which data disappears:  tbl_Cookies, tbl_Milk
>
> The Network Admins just informed me that their audits show all four tables
> were accessed by user CKRINGLE, which does not exist on our domain. I have no
> idea what that means.
>
> Can anyone shed any light?
>
> Thanks,
> Darren
>
Author
9 Dec 2005 12:39 AM
ML
This is by design. Year-end processing should be done at the beginning of the
next year. You're too early, and SQL knows this. Yes, it does. Ask any one.
Or was that Annie Wong?


ML

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